Do NOT Fall for This Dirty Poker Betting Trick! (Angle Exposed)

In this video, we analyze a unique and controversial hand from a live cash game at The Oaks in Emeryville, California. Our hero faces a horrific angling situation on the river with the nuts and an opponent who uses a scummy tactic to avoid an all-in bet. We break down the hand step-by-step, discuss angling, and provide essential poker strategy tips to help you navigate similar scenarios at the table. Watch as we discuss key concepts like protecting yourself against angles, understanding cash game rules, and knowing when to slow down and confirm actions at the table.

0:18 - Setting the Scene: The Backstory
1:18 - River angle description
3:14 - Floor Ruling and Reaction
4:20 - Poker Tips: Protecting Yourself from Angles
6:45 - Handling Angle Shooters and Learning from Experience

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[CrushlivePoker]

How would you have reacted to this angle if it happened to you?

[kineahora]

As a reflex, I think the best policy in this spot is to say to the dealer “ how much is the bet?” I like this method best— not only clarifies that the opponent made a bet, but then you get to know how much he’s betting, and if you have the nuts, of course you will take time to consider and then announce “ I’m all in”.

[chrismiller]

I ran into a very similar situation in Vegas years ago. I think it was Aria. I rivered the nut straight and donk shoved. The villian sighed, said "if you got it, you got it, and pushed his money over the line. I flipped my cards over, and he pulled his chips back. He had never released. Such a scumbag move. Fortunately, at Oceans 11, where I play, they enforce any forward movement that induces action.

[EZBISME]

At MD Live, there was a common angle years ago where a person would put all chips (except the one used as a card protector) into the pot on the flop with, say, a flush draw. The other person would call, and the dealer would deal two cards. If the flush hit, the angler would just let it be and get paid for the all in. However, if the flush did not hit, the angler would declare that there was still action on the turn—since it was not all in. They would then bet the chip-cover card on the turn, forcing a misdeal for the river and another chance to hit the river.

[showandtellmusic]

Oaks players: Let the floor know about this video! Let's try and get this rule changed so it doesn't happen to any other players

[NorCal_Poker]

Nah, screw that! Not only forward motion but it also probably crossed the line.. that’s an all in!!

[NatSchuff]

I played at The Oaks for four years and the games are great. The rulings, however, can be awful and the rules are interpreted differently by different floor guys. Also it's full of anglers. Fun place but very dodgy.

[barryjb]

If the betting line doesn't mean anything why do they have it?

[andypilson]

In North Carolina…Cherokee, we had a player that was palming a stack of chips above the felt and made a forward movement to start counting out the bet. The dealer said that his forward movement with the stack was his bet. The dealer said if you want to count out a bet do it in you player area or verbalize the bet prior to the forward movement. The player got mad and left after that hand. I noticed other dealers will overlook that they are counting out a bet in the pot area.

[combcomclrlsr]

First time viewing the channel. You really know your sht! Excellent.

[billstevens]

I've seen that at Talking Stick. They banned the angle shooter for one day only! In the Bay area, most card rooms have a binder with a written set of rules. If you're going to play in a room there, takes 15 minutes and read that binder. If that floor ruling contradicted the binder, appeal to the the room manager. If you still lose, there's a state authority you can go to.

[motown]

Angles rely on impatience. You cannot be angled if you show patience.

[halecarter]

Yeah, always confirm bets, and all-ins. I had hand (tourney) at Caesar’s where the villain pushed all his chips aggressively into the middle, on the river. About four stacks of 1000 chips, so 80k into a 50k pot, I one chip called with set, and won. Yay. Stacked the big pile of chips, and then noticed, the villain was still at the table. Because he never said “All-in”, and he had 4 10, 000 chips hidden in his hand. So, a lesson: Say “All-in” if you think you are calling an all-in bet. It seems a little silly, because “call” should work, but just say it!

[StandAndStare]

Like a reflex I wait for the dealer to announce the action and then wait a beat for the villains to not object. I'm not even trying to avoid angles, mistakes happen and I want the villains to have a chance to correct them.
I do tend to hear flustered noises when the dealer has to start counting chips then I reveal I have the nuts, like I'm slow rolling, but in my defence I generally just get them to confirm it's "all-in" or "all those chips".

[gjchawks]

Didn’t this happen in the World Series of poker in like 08 or 09? It involved Brandon Cantu, the guy pushes out a large stack of chips (never lets go), holds it out and then pulls it back and cuts it in half before releasing those chips into the middle? And the floor ruled it’s “cut and release”, I thought that whole rule has since been overturned since it’s a clear angle. Also I understand difference between tourney and cash. Just amazing floor rules/rulings don’t protect against a clear angle

[marsstubblefield]

I used to play @ the Oaks all the time - if you’re a regular, the floor & dealers will help you angle.

I read their printed rule book way back before they spread no limit games (they were not legal for some time).

It is clearly stated that forward motion with chips is binding.

[rayrommy]

I am only 3 minutes in to this video but I think a situation similar or something has happened in Lucky Chances in Colma, CA last year. I remember hearing the floor mention on the PA system multiple times that any forward motion with chips is binding whether it crosses the line or not

[hailshy]

Another thing is always make someone show a winning hand, i saw someone call, dude says "straight" and caller mucked, no cards were flipped over .

[geraldinepeckham]

I had a similar situation a few days ago. But thanks to a good floor, his angle did not fly. But I did learn another lesson to always wait and clarify.

[Farts_McCool]

It’s simply amazing how the floor can’t use common sense and make the correct call.

Such a scumbag move, that allowed produces more scumbag behavior. There’s never any punishment for these people, he’ll just not pay, be back tomorrow and think nothing of it