Trump, Putin, Biden, You | Matt Taibbi | EP 392

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author and journalist Matt Taibbi. They discuss his early career both in journalism and professional basketball, his time in the U.S.S.R. learning Russian and publishing a successful gonzo-inspired newspaper, and his breaking coverage of the subprime mortgage bubble. They also examine the state of the world today with Russia and the U.S. military industrial complex, the upcoming presidential election, and the dire necessity for alternative news sources.

Matt Taibbi is an award-winning investigative reporter and one of America’s more recognizable literary voices. In 2002, Taibbi began work as a contributing editor for Rolling Stone. There he won the National Magazine Award for commentary. He is best known for his coverage of four presidential campaigns, of the 2008 financial crisis, and the criminal justice system. He has written ten books, including four New York Times bestsellers: The Great Derangement, Griftopia, The Divide, and Insane Clown President. His book, I Can’t Breathe, about the police killing of Eric Garner, was named one of the year’s ten best books by the Washington Post. His latest book about media division, Hate Inc., has been hailed by everyone from Joe Rogan to Publishers Weekly, and called “The best explanation of media behavior since Manufacturing Consent” by Glenn Greenwald.

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(0:00) Coming up
(0:32) Intro
(1:21) Professional sports in Europe
(4:47) In the domiciles of the former Soviet Union
(7:07) The Moscow Times, the eXile
(10:15) Hunter S. Thompson, Gonzo Journalism
(11:47) The loss of the narratively-interesting journalist
(13:45) Noam Chomsky
(14:29) The Russia-Ukraine conflict, expansion of NATO
(18:54) Who benefits from the proxy war?
(24:55) If they’d given Trump the Nobel Peace Prize
(28:49) The lack of an anti-war movement
(29:55) Campaign reporting, why Trump was such a disruptor
(36:24) Hilary Clinton, red flags for the singular pursuit of power
(38:33) Why small business owners vote for big business candidates
(41:17) The degree of blindness was staggering, “the most experienced insider”
(43:40) RFK Jr’s campaign manager, a groundswell of frustration
(46:37) Heyday of the Rolling Stone, reporting on the economy
(50:00) The 2008 collapse explained
(56:43) Should more people have been prosecuted after 2008?
(1:00:20) The rise of woke capitalism, false contrition?
(1:04:53) Insane Clown President
(1:06:53) First impressions of Trump from the 2016 campaign trail
(1:09:16) Manipulation or leadership?
(1:16:28) The issue with cops, stats-based policing regimes, and ethnic relations
(1:23:03) Hate Inc. and audience optimization
(1:28:47) The Munk Debates, facing Malcolm Gladwell
(1:35:09) The Twitter Files

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[chickmcgee]

My father, a conservative midwestern farmer, would make copies of Matt’s RS articles on the banking debacle and toss them in my pickup truck for me to read. I became a believer in his reporting. Nice to listen to this conversation between two of my most respected people.

[scottgibbs]

This is one of your best interviews. This is the exact kind of conversations we need in this country. I’m going to do a deep dive into reading Matt Taibbi.

[jakelee]

Matt sounds like a 'surfer dude' ... and then you listen to what he's saying. Absolutely brilliant. He's probably the most significant, honest and important journalist we have right now. Fantastic conversation. Thank you, Jordan ❤

[alichebry]

They just don’t make ‘‘em like Matt anymore, a journalist with integrity and charm. Thanks Jordan for another stellar interview 🙏

[yargum]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for having Matt Taibbi on! He is one of the most important journalists of our generation for his commitment to journalistic objectivity in this extremely politicized time

[ShaneMitchell-kzfw]

Listening to Peterson describe the 2008 financial crisis in a few minutes was more informative than the 13 years I spent in American public schools.

[JaydeJackson]

I've always respected Matt's journalism but didn't realise that he lived such an interesting life. I'm well impressed.

[Nettamorphosis]

I’m only 5 minutes in and this guy has lived a hell of a life. Pro baseball, Pro Basketball, and Pro Writer. 🤯

[TomsLife-td]

Matt doesn’t come across as tough as nails but he definitely is. He’s seems to me to be a controlled monster as JP might say. Absolutely a great human being.

[danatowne]

Matt has a devastating intellect with a huge helping of common sense and heart that I have enjoyed throughout his writing career. Pointing out that using "stop and frisk" on Wall Street might have a closer arrest ratio than many people think was a GREAT way to challenge assumptions - same way his writing often does.

[damianketcham]

“You know a State is corrupt when you can no longer bribe it”…..that’s gold.

[tom]

This is the most interesting conversation that I have heard in a very long time. Thank you both for taking the time to have this wide ranging discussion. Please do this again in the near future.

[curtisvalle]

Wish I had dollar for each time the Professor makes a statement and his guest responds with "That's exactly right.' Aways a fan of his professional psych. insights but his ability to discuss deeply a vast range of difficult topics is awesome. Most importantly he is taking on the most vexxing problems of our at tremendous cost.
God's Speed, Doctor on your Hero's journey.

[AW-mzzm]

As an American, I lived and worked In Moscow from 98 to 2001 building the American Embassy, I loved the Exile paper, I wish that I would of kept them! Interview brought back some great memories.

[kaloncar]

Thank you once again Dr. Peterson for another brilliant interview. I learned a lot. Matt is a highly unique and interesting person who seems genuinely interested in getting to the bottom of things in the news.

[rpjswish]

Wonderful conversation, and good to get to know Matt more in depth. Jordan, you are not only very learned and articulate, you conduct interesting interviews. Thank you both for a less political prospective on events that have affected us all.

[tommythompson]

Thank you Doc, for helping to shine a light on a better way of life for all of us.

[zerosometime]

I see Matt as brave: living in another country as a young guy, playing professional sports, and building a business in Russia. He is really admirable.

[videovuer]

Dr. Peterson, so appreciate this in depth interview with Matt Taibi. I've followed him for many years for his excellent reporting on complex issues & insights into how the news business works, but I had no idea that he is such a fascinating & extraordinary person above & beyond his professional contributions. Thank you both!

[TheJackSP]

Matt is brilliant, maybe most important journalist of our time. Wonderful interview!