What the point of Star Wars is (And how badly The Acolyte misses it)

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[Luks]

We got villains in charge of the greatest stories of all time now. Villains hate heroes. Those plots are not coincidence.

[chengmunwai]

Thor is 100% spot on:
"Maybe part of the reason why some out there really did seem to enjoy something like The Acolyte is maybe because they like the idea of the Selfless Jedi being torn down in order to feel better about their own selfishness, their own desire to be a little more Sith-like."

[extantsanity]

Aside from everything else they missed, Lucas also ensured that the Sith always look like zombies. He explained that this is his visual metaphor to demonstrate why being bad is bad. He didn't want his bad guys to be the cool ones. They look like zombies because evil is not the right way to go. The fact that Disney has them still looking like models with beautiful skin really proves that they have no idea what they are doing on any conceivable level at all.

[HybridSnake]

Star Wars needs to be put on a 10 year hiatus.

[davidb]

In the books, there's a part where Luke's son Ben is reflecting on a lesson his father taught him. Basically, if you're stuck with two bad alternatives, pick the third one; in short, strive to do right even when every other standard of reason is telling you to compromise.

Compare that to what we have now.

[davemac]

It’s not wrong to dive into the faults and moral ambiguity of heroic figures. ANDOR does that masterfully with the character of Luthen and Mon Mothma. They have to sacrifice not only their loved ones to a certain degree, but their own morals and lives. I kept questioning is Luthen a bad guy for putting the lives of 50 men to protect his identity and informant? But what he’s doing is also kinda what’s necessary for the rebellion to thrive. This is the type of writing that I love, and why Andor earns my praise for questioning the Rebellion’s motives, but not the cause itself. It’s still made clear it was necessary. The acolyte just tells you what to think, what to feel about the Jedi, rather than getting you to think about it

[genghisgahan]

I was a little too young to see star wars in the cinema when it originally came out, but I'd always assumed Luke defeated the emperor. When I finally got to see rotj, my mind was completely blown in that final scene, where Vader watches the emperor torturing and (almost) killing his son.
It was such a powerful moment and when he decided that he was going to save his son, turn on his master.... amazing. Luke truly saved his father, through love- not force of arms or skill.
It was the love between a father and his son that defeated the empire, not x wings, not light savers, not troops or starships, ...but love.
What a powerful message and what a powerful story- anakin was truly the one to bring balance to the force- by putting his childs needs before his own, through selflessness - which his son taught him.
Now compare that with what Disney has served up in the form of the acoylte.
Such wasted possibilities, such wasted money.

[dakota_kramer]

It's so frustrating to see all of these valid criticisms brushed aside and dismissed as "haters hating" by people who just accept anything with a Star Wars label on it. Is it so far beyond the scope of people's imaginations to believe that the $180 million that went into this show could have gone into something that had everything they liked about Acolyte (shiny lightsabers and two-second meaningless cameos) AND good writing?

[robertjenkins]

I think Yoda summed it up best: "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter". This message is what modern society either doesn't understand or hates.

[jaieregilmore]

They don’t even realize so called “Bad Jedi” are just the Sith.

[paulwcassidy]

It's the same thing with NuTrek. The new writers simply don't understand what made these franchises....unique. For Trek it was the 'hopeful' future. For Wars it is the Good vs Evil AND Lucas's philosophy.

Now we have dark dystopian Trek and Wars with the Sith and Jedi morally equal.

Without those unique features, these franchises are....generic, and honestly not very good.

[JGburneraccount]

"What separates good and bad people are not the mistakes they make but the actions they take to fix those mistakes."

- H.JG

[willkrug]

As I get older and seek to grow as a person, I gain more and more respect for the original Star Wars movies, especially the original story of Luke Skywalker, who started as a somewhat selfish young man who looked to the future because he wanted to be someone great. Then he became a famous hero, and let it go to his head, he had to be the one to save his friends because he didn’t trust his friends to save themselves, and because of this he failed and was humbled.
In the end Luke learns what it truly means to love, rather than look to be loved. He doesn’t need to be the one to kill the emperor, blow up the Death Star, or save his friends, because he trusts his friends, he goes to the Death Star for one reason, to save his father! In the end Luke becomes a true hero, not because he beat the bad guy, because he loved the bad guy, he didn’t save the day, he saved his father. The humility, compassion, love, and growth of Luke is what it truly means to be a hero and what we are often missing in media today.

[jeremyfields]

OT: a tale about making the right choices in life. (Han saving Luke and the rebels, Leia not snitching on the rebellion, Luke not giving in to the dark side, Lando trying to save Han, Vader saving his son.)

PT: a cautionary tale about making the wrong/selfish choices in life. (Complacency of the Jedi, bureaucracy of theSenate, Anakin accepting the dark side and betraying the Jedi for selfish reasons, Anakin killing unarmed Dooku, Anakin killing an entire village )

ST: I still don’t know what this trilogy was trying to say…

[Starwarslegorob]

I’m 49, to me Star Wars was a feeling, it made me feel hopeful ! The journey, the message, the redemption!

[Jedishill]

I consider the Jedi to be the ideal of heroism not just because of the good deeds they do and try to do, but also most Jedi understand the sacrifice they make by being a Jedi. I think it makes more sense the Jedi over the millennia to realize that having a family leads to a conflict of interest. Also if a Jedi wants to leave they can. No jedi will be hunted down for leaving the order if they fell in love and decided to pursue said love.

Seeing the acolyte paint the Jedi as bad guys is sad. Evil should never be justified

[jvaskzie]

I waited for a long time to see an Asian Jedi, Disney gave me Sol. The first thing he did after seeing Osha was get attached. Not only that, he was so lame that Osha, Mae, Witch mom, and even the lil beaver caught him off guard. Then right before he dies, he allowed his adoptive daughter to embrace the darkside, "it's okay". Fuck.

[skully]

Star Wars is about Redemption and Accepting people for who we are(OG 6). Thats my opinion pre video.

Theres a Yoda Quote I love and always try and live by, “You must train yourself to let go of what you fear to lose the most”. It’s a truly beautiful quote with an unachievable goal. Yoda told this to Anakin after his visions of Losing Padme, and while its good advice, Anakin needed love, he needed a Father, So while it was the right thing for Yoda to say it wasn’t for a Jedi like Anakin. It’s truly beautiful man and I desperately miss this level of depth.

[drtaverner]

Hey Thor, The Jedi were our role models at a time when all we had were toxic action heroes. Violence was a last resort. Obi-Wan sacrificed himself to save Leia. In an age of Rambo, Steven Segal, Clint Eastwood, and Chuck Norris, the Jedi gave us something deeper, something higher, for our aspirations.
Toxicity wins, I guess.

[embotato]

If you’ve ever seen the empire of dreams documentary, it talks about how films at the time Star Wars released were anti-hero films. But then when Star Wars came into the mix, it mentions that movies were fun again. Now we’re in a similar situation lol