Ford F-150 5.4L 3v P0021 P0022 Over Retarded Timing Codes After a Complete Timing Job: But Why?

In this video we show you it is not always so simple when it comes to diagnosing some of these timing error codes on the Ford 5.4L 3v Triton engines.

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[wtfman]

That sir was a repair a majority of Techs probably would not have made. Only those who have thorough knowledge of the engine would even think to look at that very small detail. Well done and impressive indeed!!

[cheapers]

I wish I had a purpose in life after 51 years of working in the automotive industry lol Brian you do a fantastic job of explaining everything and your patience is that of a saint

[markglover]

This video highlighted the importance of the seal between the phaser bolt and the phaser seat. I had been chasing this problem for almost 4 years now and just assumed it was low oil pressure since it was the passenger side bank. When I got the truck I did a complete timing job, followed Brian's very helpful videos. After a few minutes after initial start up and smooth idle, the motor jerked and then ran rough. In the trouble shooting process I thought it might be a bad phaser, so I put the ford one back in.. turns out the timing chain guide broke amd it skipped a couple links. Re did the timing and still this same issue. I then compared the aftermarket phaser bolt length after watching the video to the one that came with the new cloyes phaser and sure enough the amazon bolts were a tad shorter in length between the underside of the bolt head to the phaser washer. Replaced the bolt and phaser (since it was an old oem unit) yesterday and problem solved, runs smooth finally and the codes all cleared on their own!

[victoralarcon]

A real mechanic that knows how to solve real problems not just a parts changer I commend this guy for his professional attitude

[oby-]

I believe this shows how incredibly tight the tolerances are in these engines and how sensitive they are to any improper assembly. I finally did my timing job on my 5.4 a couple of months ago and can't remember the washers. They must be there as it is running fine. I have to add that Brian is the reason I had the confidence to take on that work to keep my 5.4 running good. It seemed daunting at first but with his guidance it just seemed to get easier and easier to complete.
Thank you Brian.

[lelandcarlson]

Amazing how a little detail like that washer can make such a big difference. Well done!

[BubbaM-xvoc]

I've been working on my friends 2010 f150 about a year now did everything that you explained this owner did in this video to his truck pretty much the whole top end and I just seen this video today so I switched out the phaser bolts and sure enough it fixed the problem thank you makuloco you are a good inspiration and motivator! 😀 From Los Banos CA we thank you!.

[jacobkirby]

This is what makes a mechanic though! Figuring out what caused the failure. Learning about something you have already mastered, as he has with this particular engine. Well done! All your videos are very informative and easy to follow. Thank you for the time you put into helping people! You're a hero. I mean that, truly. You're saving people thousands of dollars by education. You're amazing, sir. You should know that.

[mikeybhoutex]

Just goes to show that no manufacturer is immune from making mistakes, even Ford. Check and re-check, but still... unless you *know* how that bolt is supposed to be and why, easily missed. Wow. For want of a horseshoe nail, eh?

You're the best, Brian! Once again, lemme shout out you for giving me the knowledge (and frankly strength) to tackle my 4.6L 3v timing! My car still lives because of your wonderful 4 parter on that!

[markk]

These are the videos that are worth more than gold. Now, everyone that has a timing job to do and has watched this, can save themselves the frustration of knowing they did the job correctly and having an issue such as this.
Brian, you are a gift to us all!
P.s. any time to tear down that transfer case you changed out for me? I'm waiting for the autopsy, I have a theory about it.

[kellismith]

Wow, I bet the owner if that truck is truly grateful to you - very good work !

[junior]

I just bought a truck and found out after the fact that the timing was off. I took it in to have a timing job. When the tech got in there he tells me the truck had a timing job fairly recently with after- market parts and that it must’ve been Mis-timed. He went ahead and re-did timing with parts as recommended by Makuloko at my request. Now I’m wondering if the issue wasn’t something like this. Very interesting. This channel has been a HUGE help since I purchased my truck!

[murphymmc]

That's a thousand dollar piece of information, great catch. Surprised that it wasn't in the service data but if the factory puts those washers on 999 times out of 1000, somebody will have to get the missed one and then post the info. Looks like you're that guy on this one.

[Motorcycledad]

Man I wish we had more smart mechanics like you. Keep it up and please continue to pass along your knowledge to the young generation!

[r.weaver]

I like seeing channels that actually diagnose and not just replace the engine like some of the other popular channels do. Seems "Narrow is the path" doesn't just apply to ones faith.

[garymcmullin]

another "atta boy!" to you for splendid diagnostic work. Vehicles are complex enough and difficult to repair, we don't need the added burden of manufactured replacement parts being out of spec. Several comments that it is the wrong bolt due to the knurled area running down to the shoulder with no room for the washer. I believe that is because the washer has to be installed first, then the knurled area is completed, the installed washer would be a necessary spacing of the bolt assembly for that knurling process. But it is puzzling that a bolt could miss the washer install. There is an awful lot of bad out of spec parts showing up these days, many videos addressing this problem.

[lanceripplinger]

Your attention to detail is very good! Amazing a washer that cost mere cents, fixed the problem!

[marshallbrooksjr.]

What is surprising is the man has 'done quite a few of these' did not observe the lack of a critical washer on the bolt that attaches to the cam phaser. Yes, anyone can overlook the observation you made, however, when one performs a timing chain replacement, Every detail must be carefully paid attention to. Your explanation of the oil flow through the various ports of the bolt and the phasor was immensely important. Thank you, sir.

[heberargueta]

This man is a Master Mechanic! Thank you so much for your videos. If this helps anyone that believes their timing job is 100% but their engine still stalls after driving for a few minutes . I learned it the HARD way and $$$ spent. Chances are your guides broke and pieces fell in the oil pan. So every time it try’s to pick up oil thru the screen those pieces are stuck on the way causing your engine to go on safe mode.

[krusejonathan]

King of the 3V. A lot of these F-150’s, Expeditions, Navigators can be had relatively inexpensive. After a full timing job these can go another 100k with regular maintenance, clean oil especially. A good option for a vehicle for yourself or your family. Obviously putting in all this mechanical work won’t increase resale enough to make it viable for a flip unless the vehicle can be initially purchased for next to nothing.