Why Super Saiyan 4 Vs God Isn't Close...

Super Saiyan 4 Vs Super Saiyan God has been a hotly debated topic ever since the Battle of Gods movie was released over ten years ago! I thought it was finally time to answer the question truthfully, and put a halt to the Super Saiyan 4 Downplay!

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:06 Why God Beats Super Saiyan 4 explained
2:46 Dragon Ball Z Upscaled
5:17 Super Saiyan 4 is Multiversal
6:37 Super Saiyan 4 Vs Vegetto
14:42 Super Saiyan 4 Vs Super Saiyan God Forms
15:30 Base Goku Vs Base Goku
19:01 Who is faster?

[_-Bane-_Main]

Completely unrelated to scaling, but I would have preferred SSB not exist at all or have a much later introduction. SSG wasn’t allowed to be a form used seriously after Battle of Gods, and that’s a shame for such a unique transformation.

[menacingpotatoleaf]

I like how the community needs to discover things over years because almost no one watches DB in the DB community. Many things in the series where literally spoon fed to you, but the fandom ignores or doesn't know about it.

[joelbell]

I just realized that the reason why Buuhan got so powerful when angry was because he was using Gohan's rage boost attribute! 😱😱😱😱😱

[millgiass]

Nope. Saying Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan is ridiculous. You just de-railed your entire argument right there.

[wakapout]

Stopped the video when he said that kid buu is stronger than buuhan.

[TheeSinnerman]

"Back in the Day people used to say The top tiers were multi solar system level"
Unfortunately ive run into individuals who say Current goku is Solar system level.

[bluephoenixguy]

Kid Buu is scaled as the WEAKEST Buu... not the strongest.

He's just more dangerous since well... he's unpredictable. (Like when he just pops into existence and decides to blow up earth immediately)

Ex: Buuhan kicked SSJ3 Goku's ass with no issue but Kid Buu fought even with him.

Kid Buu is the most dangerous due to his lack of restraint and willingness to end the fight by blowing up the planet basically instantly.

[mustaphazouaoui]

I let the guy cook hoping that he'd convice me that ssj4>ssjg but the second he said "kid buu is stronger than buuhan" I stopped the video.

[razzo]

Kid buu is definitely not stronger than buu han. It’s just he had no conscious and was out of control destroying planets without caring. That’s why they considered him more of a danger

[iamkidwayne]

buu saga was crazy no one questioned how gotenks literally cutting space and a portal make to a different dimension 😂😂

[nobodyknowsforsure]

I think you're lowballing the importance of God ki and it's still not erasing the feats in the Beerus fight.

[Fuuploobope]

A lot of these are good arguments but can also come down to interpretation for example the SSJ4 being the ultimate form of Super Saiyan making it a better form than God you could interpret it to be the ultimate form based on just super saiyan instead of super saiyan infused with God Ki as technically Super saiyan Blue is ssj infused with god ki with normal ssg being a form that channels the God Ki rather than it being a traditional super saiyan form like 4 it’s really up to how you perceive it

[MegaMachiOnline]

i don't quite agree with base goku surviving omega shenron being power-based given how everything surrounding goku's departure and mandated use of the spirit bomb was the only way to beat omega at that point

[PoxFilms]

7:40 The problem with what you said here is the wording of what they say. Gt Goku isn’t saying “not even Vegito would be enough” he’s saying “This is the strongest ki I’ve ever felt” Goku never felt Vegito’s full ki but he most definitely would know his own full potential. That’s the difference between the two statements.

15:05: Super Saiyan God doesn’t get that same statement because it isn’t the ultimate Super Saiyan form of DBS. There is Super Saiyan Blue after that. Super Saiyan 4 however was the ultimate Super Saiyan form of GT. That’s why it’s stated like that. Why would we assume SS4 is stronger because of some flimsy wording in a single guide book

[Draxeid]

Something to note is also that SSJG does have a healing factor

[colin]

A reminder that most of the people who've watched super have never watched DBZ. They aren't real dragon Ball fans.

[Brku]

Something I forgot to mention:
For the people who don't like the databook statement implying SSJ4 > SSJG...
In the Heroes series, SSJ4 is consistently portrayed to be a higher multiplier than SSJG. On multiple occasions we've seen Xeno Goku fight CC Goku. They were both comparable power in their base forms. When Xeno Goku went SSJ4, he was still comparable to the CC Goku who went Super Saiyan Blue. This would mean that SSJ4 is at least almost as strong as Blue, thus making it far stronger than God. Now, the scaling in Heroes wouldn't apply to GT or Super. But the multipliers of the forms should still hold because it is based on GT and Super.


Technically, these characters are Low-Multiversal, not Multiversal. These are just the terms generally used by fandom.

Boohan's feat is Multiversal. It did say it was going to destroy the living universe by destroying the space that separated the different universes of the macrocosm. Destroying a space that stops multiple universes from colliding into each other is multiversal.

[frosty]

*Personally* i disagree hard with the idea that SSJ4 is stronger than SSG, since i doubt a lot of the evidence, and i believe that SSG is a much better form
However im not a toxic super fan so I'm cool with your logic and take, you always make great videos so it was expected!

[Solesteam]

15:24 I'd say it more implies that SSJG isn't necessarily a Super Saiyan type form unlike SSJ4, which is even named as a direct continuation of the main line of transformations. But rather as the design, and the entire movie hints at, it instead being a secondary god-Ki powered base form.

[Solesteam]

The crazy thing is that with SSJG's introduction it became cannonical that the team had a VERY easy way to deal with Super 17 and Omega Shenron that went right under their noses... the funniest part being that they were REALLY close to accidentally unlocking this power during the fight with Omega Shenron when Goku was down for the count.