Here’s How Long It Takes To Fully Fill A Hydrogen Car!

Kyle is in California with a Toyota Mirai where he explains how much it costs and how long it takes to fill up a hyrdrogen electric vehicle (HEV).

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[KyleConner]

A couple points to note, I believe this station was actually a station where trucks bring the hydrogen to it - it is just created in a greener way. Also, the Mirai has a 5 kg tank so we weren’t completely dead although the gauge cluster showed that we were at a minimal level

[zzanatos]

My son is an engineer and contributed to the design of the hydrogen tanks in the Mirai. I'm so proud of him.

[tinetannies]

It takes a special talent to present 30 seconds of information in only 14 minutes

[harrisfogel]

I was in line to get gas in Anaheim, and noticed a long line of cars waiting for one pump. I asked a guy what was happening and he told me they were all waiting to fill up with hydrogen. We talked through the cost, which when he started his lease was less that gas, but now a month ago, it was more expensive then gas. He loved the actual car, but said that owning a hydrogen car was more like being owned by a hydrogen car. There were only two places for fuel in the area, the other being a Toyota in Orange. And they were often down. He also told me that if you wanted to say drive to Las Vegas, which many Southern Californian's do, you're out of luck, no hydrogen stations in Las Vegas or along the route.

In that case you notify the company, and they rent a car for you for the trip, which you were allowed to do several times a year. Also, when he got the car, they supplied him with a $15, 000 dollar fuel card, which after over two years of driving he had barely dented, so at the moment the car was cheap to operate, but once the card ran out, he figured it would be more expensive then a similar ICE powered car of the same size and cost.

I thought it was fascinating, but very limiting. I mean, if you think an EV is limiting, hydrogen's another ballpark. He did say that there were fleets of cars used by delivery services that loved it, but they had access to fuel, and all their trips were local. The incentive when he got the car was a) Federal Rebates, b) CA Rebates, c) So. California Rebates, d) Manufacturer Rebates, and finally e) that $15k fuel card. So he got a $40K car for around $22k, plus no fuel costs. So, he was pleased, for now. "Would he buy one again" I asked, and he said, "Not sure. I do think about that question though."

[StevenTurner-vfcw]

Hydrogen was $13.14/KG when filmed. Now it's $36.95/KG x 5.65 KG=$208.77 for a fillup to go 260 miles or 80 cents per mile. Ridiculous. And in Missouri, the only hydrogen filling station makes you get a container containig 100kg at H35 or 5000psi at a minimum.

[rajkumarbharathi]

I think, hydrogen can be a good option for construction equipment. JCB is developing Hydrogen diggers after they realized electric diggers wont even last 1 hour of work.

[Timbrock]

So, at $60 to fill up divided by a 260 mile range, it seems to cost about $0.23/ mile to drive.
An economical car that gets 35 MPG and assuming $5.00/ gallon will cost about $0.14/ mile to drive.

[kenkobra]

Takes 4:31 to fill the tank. You just got back some additional time to watch more Out of Spec videos.

[sophiegrisom]

There is an H2 station near me at a Shell station, but comments on Google Maps say it has been broken for over a year and attendants say no plans to fix it. Shell also dropped a plan funded by California to install more stations, so seems like Mirais will be orphans soon. Fueling costs ~4x an efficient gasoline sedan.

[johncooper]

As a college student training to be an automotive technician 45 years ago in 1977, my professor said he could envision hydrogen becoming the dominant fuel source for the transportation industry. I have watched with great interest the development of hydrogen technology ever since to see how it would all play out. Like the EV industry, large-scale public adoption will in part depend on having an infrastructure that supports the convenience the public has come to demand with fuel stations located nearby wherever you are. As I see in this video, the story is still evolving. Thank you for the update!

[pdufusc]

I missed the final cost.... and another 260 miles. Believe I'll stick with my 98 civic hatch. I drove right at ll00 miles to see my brother in New Mexico, and it cost me a whopping $62- a few cents, That was running 75/80 with a/c. Had a 96 that got 42 mpg, at 65/75 with a/c. That was at least 90+% interstate driving.

[andrewadkins]

Hello. I test hydrogen fuel quality for the State of California. My colleagues and I routinely visit all hydrogen stations in California and obtain samples. This is a liquid hydrogen station. This allows for much more hydrogen to be stored on site. The older gaseous stations only have a capacity around 100 kg. The liquid stations have a capacity around 1000 kg. The hydrogen is truck delivered and stored in a liquid state on site. The station then boils off the liquid into a gas and maintains the gaseous hydrogen at fill pressure. The vent is actually not too loud since the vent has such a wide bore. I'm guessing this is the Baldwin Park station. We haven't tested it yet, but it will be on our docket soon!

[jfbeam]

As I'm sure millions have said already, the key issue with hydrogen is we have to make it. And we make it from carbon sources, using a staggering amount of power. (compressing it, pumping it, carrying it, etc., etc.) If you want to be "green", H2 absolutely is not the path. Alcohol, bio-diesel, and solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, etc. are all better ways to be "green". Making H2 from "excess electricity" is also not a very good means of storage. (maybe better than aluminium-air batteries... smelting Al is a very energy intense process.)

But I will concede, a liquid (or compressed gas) is way faster to "recharge" than any battery ever will be.

[garyfrancis]

There should be feedback like a light or beep to indicate when the H2 nozzle is securely attached to the refilling port of the vehicle.

[kennystrawnmusic]

I’ve watched True Zero trucks come in to fill up the stations before as a Mirai owner myself (Aliso Viejo and San Juan Capistrano are my two go-to stations) — they actually truck it in not as compressed cylinders but as a cryogenic liquid.

As for that vent, yes that is what it’s for — the reason why it’s that high up is to take advantage of the fact that hydrogen is lighter than air. When excess gas is let out of that vent, it escapes the atmosphere and just floats off into space.

[vinceelliott]

$60 for about 240 miles range?! Not for me, thanks.

[Joe_Blo]

The first kid that gets his tongue stuck on a frosty hydrogen filling port will be famous forever.

[Khaos_]

The fuel up time is actually better than I thought it would be. Your average gas pump does about 7 to 9 gallons a minute. So, you're looking at 2 to 3 minutes to fill up a standard car.

[gtgs]

I spent over 5year designing hydrogen reformers and fuel cell systems… I’m a trained, ME with a degree from a top school and I’ll tell you hydrogen for transportation applications is an absolute scam. Fuel cells are great for the space station not for a car just use a lithium battery duh. Hydrogen is not energy dense and takes more energy to get into H2 gas from H2O liq than you can every get back sooo ya it’s a joke for cars and will never pan out. The entire H2 industry is only propped up by gov handouts. H2 gas can only be stored efficiently at really high pressures - so now your car is a giant bomb ya idk that’s going to work

[mtmaz]

As CEO of a company that has expertise in Hydrogen, we recognize that H2 production, compression, transportation and storage can in no way even remotely compete with the energy density, stability and availability of liquid hydrocarbons. H2 is VERY reactive and difficult to produce, it is not available as free hydrogen in the atmosphere. H2 is useful for onsite production and use, such as in manufacturing cleaner liquid hydrocarbons, chemicals and fertilizers... as a direct fuel - it is silly. (Btw... that you actually considered that unit was a hydrogen production facility, shows just how uninformed the masses are - no offense.)