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So the only answer for these tier 0 format is a lingering floodgate?

Jessie is right, i fucking hate this shut

grimrapper
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When the powercreep reaches levels of interaction being useless we have a huge problem

Luminousplayer
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Why does it feel like Tier 0 formats are becoming more of the norm than the exception

Bigparr
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Droll and lockbird is really good with the new fiendsmith cards. If they start with fiendsmith it just ends their turn. It rose in popularity here in the ocg since many decks run fiendsmith cards

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I completely agree, and I'm glad Josh is talking about this. Sadly I think his theory is 100% correct. I haven't played a format this skewed for the player going first before. It really feels like you cannot win unless your opponent bricks when you go second.

I'm sure it's even worse for the TCG players too because Snake Eyes just has 3 Wanted, 3 Ash. Before you could pretty reasonably stop their turn with 2-3 hand traps, but the Fiendsmith cards are just way too efficient at extending past hand traps and demanding a hand trap if they start with them. Part of the problem is that everyone in the OCG main decks 2 Called By, 1 Crossout which means 1/3 of the games you just have 1 less hand trap, but honestly, I feel like 3 hand traps aren't even enough in most games even if they drew a stop.

A breaker approach is also super dangerous. There's too much follow-up if you don't kill them and they could be on FTK technology post board making your breakers useless. Breakers were already questionable before Fiendsmith, but I think there was a brief period where certain breakers were really strong. In the OCG during LEDE format there was a time when a Snake Eyes deck with a full link package that ended on Pitknight, Heatsoul, Apo was popular and if you Change of Heart the Apo, you would obliterate them, but people aren't really playing those builds post Fiendsmith. I really don't think there's a very good solution for this format going second - or at least, I haven't figured it out over the last couple of months.

Droll is going to be good in this format. Sometimes they start with Ash and you feel kinda goofy having droll, but it's really efficient when they start with Fiendsmith. It's also quite good vs Yubel which are probably the two best decks for this format (I think Snake Eyes should probably be quite a bit better than Yubel though). It'll be less good against other decks like Memento, but I don't really see why people would be playing those when there's full-power Fiendsmith Snake Eyes.

SunnyYGO
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We’re reaching dangerous territory. If something comes out even more powerful than this. We really will be just throwing dice to see who wins. Something gotta change and idk what

Shadowbot
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It's funny because the deck somehow gonna turn into Tier 1 again, and not because it got weaker, but there's another deck that's gonna be bonkers strong. It will turn into the Ruler VS Spellbook in a apocalyptic world

aeugh
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I think the best thing for the game would be to build archetypes to be able to play on turn 0 - maybe not the full thing but at least get some plays going.

I think Labyrinth is a great example of how this can work excellently - they can interact on turn 0, but never to the point you complete stop your opponent.

I feel this would reduce the impact of “going first is op” and somewhat counter the idea all decks have to play the same generic hand traps (still think they can/should play some, but the game would be far more interesting if decks had within archetype hand traps more often)

If every deck had this the same way many have the field spell/normal summon search, or their own link that’s designed to bring everything together, i can see this being fairly fun and balanced

At the very least it can’t be worse than what we have now (and to note, I think if 1 deck for this I can see it being ridiculous, I think this would work best if all decks get this kind of thing)

MattAnd
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I think everyone at Euros and US Nats should all just gentleman to playing Dragon Ruler Mirrors in protest 🤣

euum
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Snake eyes was already hard to board break. I mean there’s a reason that before InFo the meta was very hand trap focused, it’s easier to prevent ur opponent from building thier board then breaking it turn 2. The fiendsmith cards essentially fixes the hand trap weakness. Now snake eye is both highly resistant to hand traps AND board breakers. The format has turned into 50-50 coin flip simulator. You better pray to god you get to go first, and on the chance you end up going second pray that you draw 5 hand trap/board breakers cuz that is what’s gonna be necessary to have a chance at winning

safanmalik
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2:20
Woke: Baronne was banned

Bespoke: Baronne's summon has been permanently negated

wumboneff
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So anyone noticed how, ever since Tear 0 Format, a lot of Tier 0 formats have been popping up very frequently (Ishizu Tearlament Tier 0, Snake Eyes Tier 0, and now Fiendsmith Snake Eyes Tier 0 coming up next)? The last time I remember where we almost had a Tier 0 format was back in 2020 with the two Adamancipator Block Dragon and Eldlich formats, which was right after the end of MR4.

marks
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Snake eye format: thats not even my final form fool

kinsy
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How many tier 0 formats have we had in 2 years lol?

nickhero
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Konami…tier 0 formats back after back will be the death of Yugioh….no one wants to play it anymore if that’s all we will get and you don’t even grace us with ocg style printing methods for core and side sets…

silentobserver
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im legit skipping the format till banlist this is unreal why in the fking world they will let t0 deck get even more buffed congrats t-1 was invented

thereaper
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If you don't like how Konami handles the game and designs cards, but you still buy the product, you are not only a hypocrite, you are the reason things don't change. Vote with your wallet.

Ragnarok
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If hand traps and board breakers are not solving it, just spam floodgates 😌

mohamedalhendi
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The thing i fear most is that the banlist cpuld potentially just do nothing and then we're stuck in this format for another 3 or 4 months.

cameronsmith
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Luckily this will only last untill the end of august

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